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Hi there, I just want to find out about why the wikia has changed? Its making a lot of things harder for me to know this new version.Spenpiano (talk) 04:38, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean? if youre talking about the new editor, yes i also suffer deeply from it... half the time i can't quite edit, read or save.It does not seem to be compatible with ANY of my four browsers...--Haerangil (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome Back

Welcome back Haerangil, thought you had disappeared off the face of the earth. Anyhow, good to see ya. I wanted to ask you, how much evil is left in the Northern Waste during the WOTR? I read that most of the Dragons went to the Withered Heath in TA 2500s and that the orcs mainly filled the Misty and Grey Mountains.

So is there any evil left in the Northern Waste at this time? Above or Underground? Tolkien Gateway classifies Forodwaith (Northern Waste) as an evil realm. Moran half valar (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

well, i am alive, but these are harsh times for some of us, i needed to step back.I am quite glad you guys keep everything up here without me.
Forodwaith... well it WAS part of Morgoth's northern realm, i mean you got the iron mountains, you got Angband and Utumno.On the other hand you got father christmas too. Apart from that it is a blank slate as far as i know.If i had to imagine something i would read the Kalevala, finish myth,old norse Utgardr and Nifelheim, Hyperborea, maybe theres something in russian and other slavic myth one could use. I'd guess if there is evil it is mostly winterdemons, no second Mordor or anything the like.--Haerangil (talk) 23:33, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


Are there any depictions/descriptions of Fankil anywhere, is there any artwork of him from anyone? Other Hands or some other fanon sources? Moran half valar (talk) 03:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

None that i know of, i meN he is basically apocryphal, even the one story he Ppears in in lost tales is an unfinished and abandoned one.Historically he is basically an early version of Sauron,just like Thu.--Haerangil (talk) 19:58, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


Thank you for the help with edits, oh Haerangil. I have just recently returned to activity on this wonderful and informative archive of J.R.R Tolkien cannon and expanded cannon, and I have attempted to elaborate on many topics of Tolkien's vision and expand on the details of Middle-Earth. Some topics I have less expertise in than others, chiefly in linguistic topics; for example, my recent edit of the history of Elmir, Ermon and the first Men of Hildorien. There I very reasonably linked the history of Men to Biblical legend, and yet my expertise in the linguistic and cultural details (especially the Avari translations of Biblical names in English) is rather incomplete. I appreciate your help with this topic and with others, and I wish you Godspeed in all of your ventures. I dare not bring up the circumstances of the world at this time, but I think that I'm right in feeling as though we have all been embroiled in a Dark Plauge of our own world; which provides a chance for the wise, the great, and the small but clever to prove themselves.

With Respect, Santino Sunness, Friend of Hobbits

can't help you much with these things, i merely watch over the canonicity.As long as the canon is not changed or violated I usually won't interfere.I've already criticized some parts i did not like, where there is too much obvious biblical analogy, bear in mind JRRT usually restrained himself from getting too closely biblical.However i also cannot simply forbid you to work in that direction.--Haerangil (talk) 18:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Perfectly understandable, and as with every fantasy story, I always try to keep my references to real-life mythologies generally in the legendary, in-universe context. We must remember also that Tolkien's partial motivation, in addition to creating a world in which to manifest his invented languages and to entertain his children, and later the world at large, was to incorporate his Catholic faith into the context of pagan, Mediterranean and Celtic mythologies. I have chiefly focused such edits on the era of the beginning of Man, which Tolkien depicted in its Biblical form; ex. the passage "Of Men" in The Silmarillion hints that Morgoth himself left the fastness of Hell (Angband) and prostrated himself before the ancient Men of Hildorien, and some followed him and became corrupt. I would not connect this to Biblical mythology at all, if it was not obvious as such. In any case, I appreciate your advice, and if I overstep in this capacity, please feel free to correct me. Thank you, and good day.

New Pics

I'm sorry, but can you show me an example of what the pic can look like so that way I can get it.Spenpiano (talk) 00:58, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh and I also moved your talk section to my User talk. I hope I didn't break a rule in removing a message and putting in a different section.Spenpiano (talk) 01:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
well, Ísúr for example.--Haerangil (talk) 09:56, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Okay, I think I got it. Hopefully, I do. But can you check the other new images that I added and see if I managed to do it correctly this time? I need to be 💯% sure if I got it. Let me know what you say.Spenpiano (talk) 13:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
You're welcome😊 Also, check the new pages I added, see if I made any mistakes.Spenpiano (talk) 01:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Lagduf‎, Muzgash, and Radbug‎

Hi, I re-added new versions of the characters Lagduf‎, Muzgash, and Radbug‎. Hope they're good. Let me know what you think. 🤔 Spenpiano (talk) 19:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

sure.--Haerangil (talk) 21:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


I just switched the images of Déorbrand and Gléowine cause I thought it was much better. Let me know what you think of it.Spenpiano (talk) 03:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

oh, it's okay, i didn't like my old gleowine pic anyway.a lot of my old pics are terrible and more intended as placeholders til i find something better.Butnthe character identification is mostly important to me.not in this case though.--Haerangil (talk) 05:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Okay 👌Spenpiano (talk) 05:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


Hi Haerangil, I know I looked at the Horse Lords of Rohan which revealed the names Meril, Saewara, and Thaena as the three unnamed daughters of King Thengel. Its exactly what it says. I think they should stay as they are. Thaena shouldn't be merged with Théodhild, but I may have something that could be useful. The LOTRO Wiki may not have shown proof that Théodhild is the daughter of King Thengel, so maybe my idea is can remove her as the daughter of King or my idea is she could've been adopted by the King. Its my idea. If you agree to it.Spenpiano (talk) 15:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, so I just made some changes on the pages. Hopefully, this will do. Let me know what you think.Spenpiano (talk) 15:37, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
to be honest i see no difference, an adoptive daughter is still a daughter and a sister.And i believe the name thaena must be replaced by a proper angli-saxon name anyway.--Haerangil (talk) 17:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Man, never post such links here, are you crazy?! I DO have that volume btw..I also think you miss the point WHY i say Thaena should be replaced by a different nameform.--Haerangil (talk) 01:11, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Oh, my deepest apologies. I'll try to be careful not to post a link on your talk page.Spenpiano (talk) 01:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
You can post links any time you want, but not links to that kind of page, it could get the wiki into trouble.Besides... i checked LOTRO wiki, Theodhild is Theoden's niece, not his sister.Still the nameform of Thaena must be corrected though...--Haerangil (talk) 01:27, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Like, which name would be good for Thaena?Spenpiano (talk) 01:30, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
So far i'm still researching.Sadly i'm not a linguist, but "Tháne" would be ok i guess, though if we change names after all a REAL name such as "Thainwyn","Thainhild" or similar would probably be better.Or "Thaine"?Unsure.--Haerangil (talk) 01:51, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

New Images

Hi Haerangil, so I replaced the images on the two pages of Imrahil the Fair and Forlong the Fat. Reason is, I found these images from a wiki site called Age of the Ring. If you seen it, let me know. Let me know what you think.Spenpiano (talk) 02:03, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't care too much for Imrahil's pic, some licensed prods used it for Imrahil, some called it "Irolas".Back then i wanted to set things right with the Lotr TCG, nowadays i care less,,luckily most people seem to have forgotten that shortlived rip-off of a game after all.
The Forlong pic i reverted, for some reason i always thought that unnamed extra was Forlong and egan to like the idea he was somehow in the movie.I also think the new Pic did NOT represent Forlongs look at all.If possible i always prefer good old illustrations and drawings above any kind of moviestills, but the general contamination of the Fandom with the moviepics was already done long before i started this wiki, so i just grudgingly accepted it and went with it.--Haerangil (talk) 04:20, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Fafnir and Sapphira

Hey Haerangil, can you do these two dragons biographies since you know more about them than I do. I would appreciate it man. Thank you and take care. Moran half valar (talk) 23:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Not really interested in this at the moment.Maybe someday... --Haerangil (talk) 03:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Fourth Age

So I was looking at the timeline that you have set up Haerangil, and I wanted to ask you about Herumor and his cult in the Fourth Age. I am wondering how powerful he would be given that you have characters who have access to 50th level spells (Cirdan, Radagast, Tom Bombadil, Goldberry, Durin VII, and possibly Eldarion with Aragorn II's items-Star of Elendil/Dunedain, Elessdar, etc.).

I don't see how Herumor, being a mere human could pose any significant threat to the Free Peoples in the Fourth Age. Since he is set during the reign of Eldarion, how could he contest any of these powers? Also, would Alatar and Pallando be his allies? They are the only rival force that could contest any of the powers above. Moran half valar (talk) 05:33, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I really don't care about RPG levels.From a literature point of view the fourth Age is the age of man, or the beginning of it, magic and supernatural things dimi nish to a degree we know from our history.I also am sure the Cult of the Dark tree is NOT a political or military issue towards Eldarions rule per se.The problem is the moral corruption from within, men getting bored by being good, bored by peace.That is the soil of which a herumor cult can grow.--Haerangil (talk) 09:42, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

But I thought you told me that you viewed Herumor as an Anti-Christ character--the Anti-Christ has power and can perform dark miracles (if going by Christian tradition) so shouldn't he have some magic or power? This is in the early fourth age. Moran half valar (talk) 04:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand Anti-Christ.There are many "antichrists" and they are not necessarily demons or miraclers, they are men.not talking about hollywood movies here but catholic theology.A roman emperor, a pope, a king, a false prophet , these all can be considered deceivers and Antichrists.--Haerangil (talk) 08:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)