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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Haerangil (talk) 03:22, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Iach Celduin and Dongirith

Dear fellow contributor, I have moved your Article Celduin to Iach Celduin and replaced it with a new Stub about River Celduin, also I have redirected Dongirith to Dungirith.--Haerangil (talk) 14:23, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

I think the name should actually be "Dunn Cirith" as in Cirith Ungol.  Dunn = Dark  Cirith = Cleft


GammaGM (talk) 23:16, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the intended etymology... girith means shudder in Sindarin, on the other hand it is documented as a sideform of C(h)irith, "cleft/Cut".Dunn mostly becomes dun- in compounds, for example "Dungorthin".The Gazetteer of northwestern Middle-Earth uses the spelling Dungirith, so I'd prefer to keep the actual form.If Dark Cleft would be the intended meaning, should'nt the spelling be "Cirith Dun" (compare: Cirith Ungol")... however if the forest is meant and not originally the near by pass Dungirith "Dark Shudder" could indeed be a shortform of an elven Name as "Taur Dungirith" (compare Nen Girith in Beleriand).However, the Term could also be of Nandorin Origin, like the equally obscure Esgaroth, Thranduil, Amroth or similar forms that can't be fully explained from known Sindarin.So as long as we don't know better I'd propose we keep the given form.-Haerangil (talk) 15:51, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
If the name means "Dark Shudder" then perhaps the forest and passage denizens needs to be darker and more forboding.  That might explain why Elrond sends the Dwarves far north and the Fellowship would rather travel through Moria.  Undead?  That is about the only thing I can think of that might keep the Beornings from clearing out the pass.
GammaGM (talk) 22:56, February 25, 2014 (UTC) 


Well who knows... some unknown evil must be reason for the forest's name... be it undead, demons or whatever...++Haerangil (talk) 15:20, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
As you probably read I went with something a bit less esoteric that was a whole lot more probable.
GammaGM (talk) 02:11, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I`ve read it. Well done...--Haerangil (talk) 12:31, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
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