How does Sauron have Four Rings when the books say he only has three? Four were Devoured. I think the Devoured one shouldn't be recovered I Did Sauron pull it out of the Dragon's butt? LOL Moran half valar (talk) 00:13, November 19, 2018 (UTC)

Three vs Four Dragons?

Since you only have 3 dragons listed here devouring the Dwarvish Rings--I would change this on the Unnamed Characters list since you have four there, unless you give me permission and then I will. Moran half valar (talk) 02:07, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

the names in the unnamed list are six because there are contradicting accounts on the four rings, or perhaps dragons are named different in various sources, or perhaps ortha, kazukmand lungo are just other names for ando anca, skell and the ring list i have three dragons destroy or swallow the four rings because indeed according to the lotro,lore, one dragon swallowed two rings.--Haerangil (talk) 21:07, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
Okay that is great Haerangil. So are you going to create the three dragons profiles or should I? Are you assigning the three names to pre-existing dragons in creatures of middle earth or not? Because I say we just mesh the names together and assign pre-existing dragons to those names. Moran half valar (talk) 21:22, January 1, 2019 (UTC)

Dragon profiles

So are we going to assign these names to existing dragons out of the creatures of middle earth book or are we going to make up their page totally from scratch? Moran half valar (talk) 17:41, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

Throstir and Utumkodur

I think the seven hoards were plundered between TA 2000 and 2500, i don't think Utumkodur or any other second Age Dragon should be one who devours one of the seven rings.--Haerangil (talk) 19:49, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

Well you just crossed off all listed dragons save for Smaug and two or three others. Well Agburanar goes into the third age per your timeline, so does Ando-Anca, so the only one that doesn't make the cut then is Utumkodur since she is slain in the second age. Well feel free to change around and do what you want then. I am done fucking with this. Moran half valar (talk) 21:28, January 7, 2019 (UTC) 


I couldn't find all these rings in Treasures of Middle Earth. So where do the other listings of rings come from? Like Ring of Mordor's Bane...where is that? Moran half valar (talk) 00:27, July 6, 2019 (UTC)

that one comes from LOTRO, but most others are a tually from MECCG.--Haerangil (talk) 16:23, July 8, 2019 (UTC)

Dang it, Okay then, sorry but I can't help with those Rings then. Good luck, and if you could please do their profiles that would be great--but when you have the chance. Moran half valar (talk) 23:41, July 8, 2019 (UTC)

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