How does Sauron have Four Rings when the books say he only has three? Four were Devoured. I think the Devoured one shouldn't be recovered I mean...how? Did Sauron pull it out of the Dragon's butt? LOL Moran half valar (talk) 00:13, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
Three vs Four Dragons?[]
Since you only have 3 dragons listed here devouring the Dwarvish Rings--I would change this on the Unnamed Characters list since you have four there, unless you give me permission and then I will. Moran half valar (talk) 02:07, November 24, 2018 (UTC)
- the names in the unnamed list are six because there are contradicting accounts on the four rings, or perhaps dragons are named different in various sources, or perhaps ortha, kazukmand lungo are just other names for ando anca, skell and Hrimil.in the ring list i have three dragons destroy or swallow the four rings because indeed according to the lotro,lore, one dragon swallowed two rings.--Haerangil (talk) 21:07, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
- Okay that is great Haerangil. So are you going to create the three dragons profiles or should I? Are you assigning the three names to pre-existing dragons in creatures of middle earth or not? Because I say we just mesh the names together and assign pre-existing dragons to those names. Moran half valar (talk) 21:22, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
Dragon profiles[]
So are we going to assign these names to existing dragons out of the creatures of middle earth book or are we going to make up their page totally from scratch? Moran half valar (talk) 17:41, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
Throstir and Utumkodur[]
I think the seven hoards were plundered between TA 2000 and 2500, i don't think Utumkodur or any other second Age Dragon should be one who devours one of the seven rings.--Haerangil (talk) 19:49, January 7, 2019 (UTC)
Well you just crossed off all listed dragons save for Smaug and two or three others. Well Agburanar goes into the third age per your timeline, so does Ando-Anca, so the only one that doesn't make the cut then is Utumkodur since she is slain in the second age. Well feel free to change around and do what you want then. I am done fucking with this. Moran half valar (talk) 21:28, January 7, 2019 (UTC)
Treasures[]
I couldn't find all these rings in Treasures of Middle Earth. So where do the other listings of rings come from? Like Ring of Mordor's Bane...where is that? Moran half valar (talk) 00:27, July 6, 2019 (UTC)
- that one comes from LOTRO, but most others are a tually from MECCG.--Haerangil (talk) 16:23, July 8, 2019 (UTC)
Dang it, Okay then, sorry but I can't help with those Rings then. Good luck, and if you could please do their profiles that would be great--but when you have the chance. Moran half valar (talk) 23:41, July 8, 2019 (UTC)
Four Dwarf Rings Consumed[]
Haerangil, I have no problem with the dragons that you picked for consuming the rings, however, an issue that does arise is the location of these rings. Going by the Dwarf Lore on MERPS and here--most of the rings are held in the Red Mountains. Sauron takes Durin's at Dol Guldur, his Ringwraiths take one in the mountains of Angmar (Dwalin the Wise's Ring), and one is taken by a Ringwraith in the east. So this means three out of the four had to be consumed in the east.
So here is my dilemma. How did the Cold Drakes that you list, get from the east to the west? You think people would have noticed dragons walking around, and at least Skell had to eat someone in the east and the west, or two in the east and then come back west. You see the issue here? If they could fly this would be easier, but they don't... Moran half valar (talk) 18:38, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- yeah, i'll have to check that dwarves book from Decipher's RPG again and try to adjust it with what MERP and LOTRO give us... it has some more details on the rings.Basically they seem to think that the dragon attack on the ered mithrin was just the western part of the co flict that people knew about but other dragons also appeared 7nmthe northeast as well... which makes some sense i think.--Haerangil (talk) 20:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah I think you should because it is a little confusing to follow. If Skell and Ando-Anca are the same, then they would have had to travel from eating the rings of power to the west to kill Fror and Dain I during the War of the Dwarves and Dragons. I am not sure there is enough time for him to get there, unless the two rings he devoured released magic in him and allowed him to fly... Moran half valar (talk) 01:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Seven Rings for the Dwarves[]
I suppose that the names of the seven dwarven rings were invented for the Game The Lord of the Rings Online? That game has its own wiki with an article about the Rings of Power: [1]
- Angya (also called Handórm) for the tribe of the Longbeards.
- Sindya (also called Manthríf) for the tribe of the Kámbrada (probably a branch of Blacklocks, who had woken and once lived in the Ered Cerin).
- Taurya for the tribe of the Abnúzhu (who lived in the Ered Cerin [2]) or for the tribe of the Temámir.
- Tínya for the tribe of the Zhélruka (nominally Ironfists but in appearance rather like Stiffbeards, who had once lived in the Ered Cerin. It is not clearly stated that these dwarves had also woken there, just that it had taken place somewhere in the near of the ancestors of the Kámbrada [3]).
- Tulcya (with a "c") for the tribe of the Abnúzhu or for the tribe of the Temámir.
- Úrya for the tribe of the Narfanghoth (Firebeards [4]) or for the Landorrim (Broadbeams [5]).
- Vanya for the tribe of the Narfanghoth (Firebeards) or for the Landorrim (Broadbeams).
In comparison with The Lord of the Rings Online, the The New Notion Club Archives seem to include certain discrepancies:
- The ring called Taurya is ignored.
- The ring named Tulcya is written without a "c".
- The ring titled Sindya and also Manthríf is split into two seperate rings called Sindya and Manthríf respectively.
Dreisam (talk) 12:58, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting! I guess such diacrepencies should be corrected then... however we still have to somehow bring the LOTRO version into correspondence with the LOTRRPG and the MERP/MECCG version as both licensed products seem to have a bit of different backstories for the rings, i guess that's where some of those discrepancies might have their origin?--Haerangil (talk) 15:03, 5 February 2022 (UTC)