I feel Dark Lord Herumor is the leader of the Cult for the New Shadow, and not necessarily the New Shadow himself. I figure the New Shadow was probably a greater Aniur that descended from the Heavens in rebellion. That is the best I can surmise. I doubt he entered Arda but I figure he probably just used Herumor as his vassal. Moran half valar (talk) 22:23, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
- Well we don't know for sure so as long the canon dies not ger violated you can pretty much expand as much as you want, except if some officially licensed release product expands on it which is highly unlikely in this case.
Personally i believe the new shadow vasically is the future "Antichrist" or a fore shadowing if it, though it simply could refer to the easily corruptable nature if man by "great-leader" figures.In a way it would be an unexpected climax if the new shadow actually wasn't some existing being or thing but just a front for some evil political group, just to steer away from the supernatural threat trope whuxh us SO pre-4th Age.
As for Herumor, well it is a name used for men before, also it is a Quenya name... what could we take from that?--Haerangil (talk) 22:34, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Well Herumor is probably just a Gondorian with ties to Umbar. He is just the cult's leader.
I tend to agree that the New Shadow could be the Antichrist, but wouldn't the 4th age be pretty early for him? An organization--hmmmm, is there any evidence for that? The only evidence I found was in the Silmarillion when it states that many Aniur descended--that is the only justificiation I can find.
http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Shadow
This article shows that shadow usually refers to the darkness of the Enemy (Morgoth), Sauron, or their servants. So Shadow is a reference to the darkness of someone evil or something under their power and this is called the New Shadow--which I feel after reading this article, that this could be a brand new entity, with Herumor heading this being/things cult. But what do you all think? Moran half valar (talk) 22:56, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- i am not sure he is adressing an entity in the closer sense.I 4hink the shadow he does quote is the "Mordo" or "stain", the Morgoth Element.--Haerangil (talk) 02:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
So should I change it back to Herumor? I guess I can do that. Cause I guess he would be the antichrist like figure and some people believe that there are numerous antichrists that come and go in the world. Maybe Herumor is one of these individuals? I'll go back and change it if that is okay with everyone. But Hingler, Haerangil, and I are loremasters of middle earth. What say you both--should I keep Herumor as the New Shadow or replace him with something else? Moran half valar (talk) 02:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)