The correct terms (endonyms) as per the Tolkien lexicon are to my understanding: singular: Drûg, plural: Drughu [sic]. The spelling on this page is used and linked to from many others. The article using the "correct" spelling "Drughu" is a redirect to this page. What a mess. Not sure if we can or should fix this. I do like to be correct on these points… call me pedantic. :-) Hlingler (talk) "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." EB Hall, "Friends of Voltaire", 1906 04:59, May 5, 2020 (UTC) P.S. To add to the confusion, the Category page also uses the correct spelling: Category:Drughu.
- No of course you are right.These things happen to me sometimes because i have a very weak memory and concentration problems due to a nervous disease.--Haerangil (talk) 15:52, May 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Now okay, before we're getting into more confusion! When referring to an individual character, say Aragorn, I use the category "Dunadan".when referring to the people or culture i use the category "Dunedain"... so what to do now about the drughu?so far i used the sgl.drûg for a person from that culture which seems to be correct according to eldamo.I could instead use category drû, but that would be Quenya, or i could use drúadan/drúedain, but that seems to have been only applied to those drughu the elves knew i.e. those were part 8f the folk of haleth or who later dwelt briefky on Númenor.--Haerangil (talk) 16:27, May 5, 2020 (UTC)
- I used "Drûghic" as a sort of "fix solution", i.e. related to the drughu, but not identical.Like a sort of "superordinate category", icluding everything related to the drughu, but not necessarily identical with the drughu.Do you have a better solution? For example i would not define the Fale or Braric of MERP as Drughu, for according to MERP onoy their language was remotely akin, but they seemingly were not of the drughu race... --Haerangil (talk) 16:49, May 5, 2020 (UTC)
OK, this is a special case, because of the large number of terms used by various languages/peoples - including us! Here is my understanding:
- Endonyms: Drûg (singular), Drughu (plural) = the names used by the Drughu to refer to themselves, in their own language Drûghic (Drûghic however is a term that we invented here as a name for their language). Why (oh why!) Professor T. omitted the circumflex from the plural is a mystery (and very confusing). I thought Drûghic referred only to their language, nothing else. From our primary sources we have neither endonym nor exonyms for the name of their language.
- Exonyms:
- Sindarin: Drû (sing.), Drúadan/Drúedain (sing./pl., used generically but mostly for those Drughu who lived among the Edain), Drúath (pl.), Drúin (pl.).
- Quenya: Rú (sing.), Rúatan (sing.), Rúatani (pl.). These are simply Quenya translations/adaptations of the Sindarin terms.
- Black Speech (?): Oghor-hai (assumed plural), Oghor (inferred singular).
- Rohirric (actual): Róg (sing.), Rógin (pl.)
- English: Drû-folk (pl.), Drûg-folk (pl.), Drûgs (pl.), [Púkel-man/men, Wild Man/Men of the Woods, all used generically OR as direct translations from another language], Wose(s) (directly translates the Rohirric words Róg and Rógin, but also *incorrectly* used generically). In English, when used as an adjective, the singular is used: "the Drû hunters", "the Drûg people", "the Drúadan language". For this wiki, we can use any of the above terms according to our needs or whims - but we should use the terms of the speaker whose perspective we are assuming at the moment. But we should default to the endonyms Drûg and Drughu, which are *always* correct!
There, does that clear it all up? :-) Hlingler (talk) "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." EB Hall, "Friends of Voltaire", 1906 18:09, May 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes.I belive his reason was that he intended in drughu-language singular was pronounced extra long while plural was pronounced normal... similar what Pete Fenlon tried, if very inconsistant, with his Womarin languages where double vowel seems to indicate plural in contrast to single vowel which usually implies singular.Thoug admittendly i have changed that...--Haerangil (talk) 19:37, May 5, 2020 (UTC)